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2 weeks 4 days ago #1 by Brent Graham
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Ok lads time to get the Giro thread going

A quality field and a very interesting route with 3 ITT's, plenty long stages (not always that exciting but saps strength which makes for plenty entertainment later) and some serious climbs

One of the posters on Cycling News always does a brilliant route analyses so bookmark this thread on their forum for starters

forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=34542

Some early betting from Sunbet

Roglic 12/10
Tom D 13/5
S Yates 14/5
Nibali 6/1
Lopez 9/1

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2 weeks 3 days ago #2 by kt6747
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This is the best time of the year.

I see Micheal Woods isn't starting the Giro, a bit disappointed.

I have gone with the Landa @ 20/1 & 9/2 to podium.
I have always rated him and think this is his chance this year. With 3 ITT's will suit him as he is more than decent in that and has shown previously with Sky he can keep up with the best. His prep hasn't been the best but hoping he rides into this tour.

Also I have taken him over Lopez @ 31/20 for now.

Look forward to the guru's previews but those are my early thoughts.

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2 weeks 2 days ago #3 by kt6747
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Taken a couple more:

King of Mountains Match up

Lopez over Doumilon @ 8/11
With the time trials think Lopez will have to try take wins up mountains.

Also taken some Team Jumbo Visa for the team leaders @ 40/1

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2 weeks 1 day ago #4 by The Vann
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Still waiting for EFF to confirm final 8 so starting with a gripe. The organizers have explained their par course as " A return to a good old fashioned Grand Tour without any gimmicks ". This may be true but, unfortunately times have changed and there is a very good reason why the courses have changed. Cycling has changed over the years with specialists in every field. There are no longer the Merx's, Hinault's etc who could do everything - probably the last of the old school is Valverde. So we need stages for sprinters, climbers, break away specialists and, most importantly, good TV viewing. With 9 stages over 200km and 8 of them over 220km there are going to be very few break volunteers - so boring reeling in of 3 man break. There are 5 stages under 170km - hooray - but wait - 2 of them are sprinters stages. SO not only are you being chased by several GC teams you also have half a dozen sprint teams hunting you down. And the ITT on the last day?? Come on fellows. You miss a four hour celebration of the Giro and your country and give us 150 riders out there on their own with the paying public only being interested in the last 3 or 4 riders in a four hour show.
Right - I feel better now

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2 weeks 1 day ago #5 by kt6747
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Thanks Vann, I read in cycling news teams were finalised, My mistake.

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2 weeks 16 hours ago - 2 weeks 16 hours ago #6 by The Vann
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No problem KT - Wouters finally announced his team last night. My take on the Giro.
Maglia Rosa
I believe this to be a straight shoot-out between Roglic and Yates. Simon is the twin that can time trial (Won the ITT in Paris-Nice) and I don't think Tommy D gets more then 30-40 sec off Yates in the 3 time trials because of the climbs. All stages have 10-6-4 sec bonuses (Except ITT's) and Yates will get that back from Tommy D in 2-3 stages.
Initial Thoughts
Lopez has finished 3rd in his last two Grand Tours and may be value for podium if one of the top three go through a bad patch. Ineos (Sky) lost Bernal last week and were unable to persuade Thomas to ride. They are going with Sivakov and Geoghegen Hart. I don't rate Sivakov's chances but Geoghegen Hart was last man standing dragging Froome through the Vuelta last year and I quite fancy his top 10 odds running around 2/1.
Mountains Classification
The way the course is set up this competition only starts in stage 12 so will only pick in play.
Points Classification
The course is badly designed for the sprinters. The second last flat stage is stage 11 and they only have one more shot over the last 10 stages in the mountains. This means that, except for 1 and 2 in the jersey standings most of them will bugger off home. Fancied that 35/10 place for Ewan but I think any place bets are a waste of money. Points are based on stage rankings max 50/25/15 to 20/15/10 riders and a good sprinter should rack up enough to win the jersey.
Initial Thoughts
I have a match bet in mind but I find the odds very much in my favour and need to check a few things in case my ancient grey cells are feeding me crap.
Young Rider Classification
Scrolled through the odds a few evenings ago when Bernal was withdrawn and saw Geoghegen Hart at 16//1 - bombed it as I saw Sosa listed as the favorite and he will not be the supported rider. Checked sites the next day and discovered Lopez is still a young rider. Frightened the crap out of the book though as I saw the odds had dropped to 10/1.
Initial Thoughts
Any top 3 over 14/10 and any 17/20 match bet - excluding Lopez - on Geoghegen Hart I will take.
Team Classification
Can't get hurt with the odds KT took on Jumbo Visma. I find the odds on this comp don't move much in the first few stages and I would like to see how Ineos approach the Giro. With no real jersey prospects they may look at this competition as a possibility.
Initial Thoughts
Astana look like a shoe-in so I will wait to see how the breaks form over the first few stages, follow the twitter accounts and try and see if any teams are considering this comp.
Will post main bets tomorrow.
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2 weeks 16 hours ago #7 by kt6747
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Thanks Vann, really appreciate your thoughts, Was going to ask you who the Team Sky leader wasgoing to be.

Thanks look forward to your picks.

I know mine a way outside picks, but just going with guys who i have liked.

Thanks.

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1 week 6 days ago #8 by The Vann
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Slim pickings on the outrights guys. Going with half my normal upfront spend and larger in play bets.Two bets I like and one purely on odds. Capped Nizzolo/Modolo at 8/10 and evens so taking the extra odds.
Top 10 Finish
Geoghegen Hart @ 18/10
Matchbet Double
Lopez over Majka into
Oomen over O Connor @ 2/1
Points Jersey Matchbet
Modolo over Nizzolo @ 18/10
Will be splashing a few beers on some second choice outrights and will post later.

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1 week 6 days ago #9 by The Vann
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An early weather play guys. Bad weather is expected to move through on tomorrow's ITT and all GC contenders are taking the first of their team slots, except for Yates who has taken their 8th slot. Straight Aussie weather expertise bet
Giro Stage 1
Win
Yates @ 6/1
(Can blame the convicts if this fails)
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1 week 6 days ago #10 by The Vann
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And the beer outrights going to
Young Rider Win without Lopez
Geoghegen Hart @ 3/1
Top 3 Overall
Lopez @ 9/2
To Win a Stage - Yes
Formolo @ 11/4
Conti @ 7/2
Points Jersey Winner
Ewan @ 14/1

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1 week 6 days ago #11 by Couch Critic
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I love having a King of the Mountains interest at a nice big price but from what I've heard there are less points available during mountain stages (or just less mountains) and thus the winner will have to finish in the top few on more than one summit finish. Given the fact that the lesser time trialers will need to win these stages I reckon the KOM will go to somone who will be a Top10 rider.

KOM:
Landa @ 10/1

Not an ideal course for the sprinters and we could se plenty pack up and leave before the end. I can't see beyond the top name on the board and will stick with Viviani to be the speediest of them all.
Points Classification Winner:
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1 week 5 days ago #12 by kt6747
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Thanks Couch and Vann for the thoughts.

I have gone with the following for Stage 1:

Landa / Pozzovivo @ evens
Landa / Nibali @ 17/10

Nibali / Yates @ 28/10 - Just based on if weather that bad late, maybe the Shark will have the beating of him.

And then small beer money on the following 2 for wins and places:

De Gendt @ 400/1 & 80/1
Nieve @ 600/1 & 150/1

Enjoy the first day. Hope no big losses due to weather.

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1 week 5 days ago #13 by The Vann
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Like that weather matchbet spot KT
Nibali/Yates @ 33/10 at BetX
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1 week 5 days ago #14 by Brent Graham
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Roglic 6/10 stage 1 - I think he will be too strong

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1 week 5 days ago #15 by kt6747
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Nice pick Brent, doubt anyone will beat him now. He is a machine.

Very disappointing ride by Landa, have written off all my tour bets with him now, no chance for tour matchbet, to lose a minute to Lopez a joke. Carpraz will take over leadership of team I reckon.

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1 week 5 days ago #16 by Brent Graham
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Thanks KT a nice start and yes he looks very strong - neither he nor Tom has the strongest team though and it will not be easy for them to control the race in the mountains

I was very impressed with Lopez today and he has a serious team behind him

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1 week 5 days ago #17 by Brent Graham
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Tough stage to call today - wet weather and a couple of climbs that will test the poor sprinters. The break certainly has a chance but I am expecting a sprint finish and will have a small interest on Gaviria at 5/1

Decided to track my progress in the Giro

+6 units after Roglic win (my unit size for cycling much smaller than rugby) and 1 unit on Gav

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1 week 5 days ago #18 by mackem
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My Giro starts today, have no outright involvement so just looking to play stages.

I'll also hope for a sprint, hard to separate the top 3 in the betting but if it is wet then it could end in chaos so wanting a bigger priced rider. Toyed with the idea of going for Demare but settled on Caleb Ewan at 8/1. . .

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1 week 4 days ago #19 by The Vann
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Believe it was pouring with rain less than 30min after last rider finished yesterday - close on our weather matchbet. Don't follow Moviestar but I think Landa was the late replacement when Valverde pulled so he should ride into some form as race progresses.
Joining Mackem on Ewan today @ 9/1

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1 week 4 days ago #20 by The Vann
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Weather forecast cold and rain - not Ewan's favorite. If he does not contest there is a small dink 14km out so a long shot team mate
Campenaerts @ 100/1
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1 week 4 days ago #21 by Couch Critic
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Is WSB serious with their odds or is someone smoking something there at HQ...

Ackerman @ 5/1
Gaviria @ 8/1
And Ewen 28/1
Damare 33/1

Am I missing something here??

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1 week 3 days ago #22 by The Vann
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Thanks Couch. At those odds will take
Viviani @ 2/1
Ewan @ 28/1

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1 week 3 days ago #23 by The Vann
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Well there you go. Loaded with cycling knowledge - called the par course crap and so it proves to be - but can I make a penny. Not a chance. Viviani relegated and my main overall punt loses 1 1/2 min on a nothing stage.

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1 week 3 days ago #24 by Brent Graham
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no interest yesterday but today looks really tough to call

The break must have a good chance and my 1st nibble is 50/1 any other rider at Sportingbet - they have quoted 32 riders and all of the likely candidates but the 50/1 looks too tempting on a wet, long stage.

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1 week 3 days ago #25 by Brent Graham
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the bet above for 1 unit

Added 0.5 units Formolo 125/1 and Majka 300/1 at Sunbet

And a 28/10 double at WSB

Nizzolo/Ackermann - Nizzolo consistent and a better climber
Gaviria/Viviani - prefer Gav on this finish

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1 week 3 days ago #26 by mackem
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Two carrying the beer money for me today, Battaglin - hit the deck yesterday but hoping all is well as well suited today, 20/1.

Thomas de Gendt also riding for me at 33/1 in case he fancy's joining the break which might just stick

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1 week 3 days ago #27 by Couch Critic
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I was on Ewan at a great price yesterday but he was a no show.

Reckon he is the toughest sprinter in the pack and think he will win if it comes down to a reduced battle between the fast guys. I dont think the end is actually as steep as some might think so dont think someone like Ulissi is as big a player (que him to take the win)

I like that 50/1 from BG but have also gone for:
Nizzolo @ 41
Simone Consonni Top 3 @ 55/1 (hoping they decide to let him have a go)
TdG @ 44/1 (in case he goes for the break)

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1 week 2 days ago #28 by The Vann
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Was out early today and missed the 50/1 at Sporting - now 4/1
Fancied Ewan but odds too short. Going with
e/w
Vuillermoz @ 40/1

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1 week 2 days ago #29 by The Vann
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Back on my favorite hobby horse. This is, without a doubt, the worst course since the TdF thought it was a good idea to take the riders over a narrow,wet causeway in stage 2 in 1999 and lost three GC contenders Zulle, Gotti and Boogerd.
You cannot backload a Grand Tour and then have 200km plus stages in the beginning with no climbs. You get no break volunteers and the riders cruise through the day with a result that when you get to the last 20km every team has at least two fresh guys who think they can win. Just a perfect recipe for a friggen disaster.
Oh and stiffs on that Tommy D bet Brent - also took out my Oomen match bet.
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1 week 2 days ago #30 by Brent Graham
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Brent Graham wrote: no interest yesterday but today looks really tough to call

The break must have a good chance and my 1st nibble is 50/1 any other rider at Sportingbet - they have quoted 32 riders and all of the likely candidates but the 50/1 looks too tempting on a wet, long stage.


Recorded stage and when the Movistar rider attacked commentators said it was Rojas who I knew was not quoted - I was shouting him home only for them to say it was Carapaz - I raced to the screen shot of the 32 riders quoted - guess who was number 31 at 100/1?

Vann I never got any long terms down in the end thankfully

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1 week 2 days ago #31 by The Vann
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Brent Graham wrote:
Vann I never got any long terms down in the end thankfully


And you made your Man City bet - YOU LUCKY BASKET

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1 week 2 days ago #32 by kt6747
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1 match bet for me today.

Jungels/Landa @ 12/10

On simple basis and may be wrong. Jungels if I remember is the 2nd last lead out guy for Viviani. So he will be up near the front come finish. Know it's guess work but that's my logic.

Enjoy the short stage today.

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1 week 1 day ago #33 by The Vann
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Came up with exactly the same KT. There is a pinch point 2km out from the finish which should be OK for GC as its within the last 3km but Ewan sometimes is poorly placed at that point and the weather is expected to be poor so also taking
Moschetti over Ewan @ 16/10
and have thrown a beer at the above double @ 47/10
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1 week 1 day ago #34 by Brent Graham
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+1 unit so far

Long day for me and the cyclists tomorrow so getting bets on early

Valentin 20/1
Gallopin 28/1
Brambilla 33/1
Dunbar 100/1

Break will surely arrive

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1 week 1 day ago #35 by mackem
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Also thinking break today Brent and I marked Gallopin down too so with you there. Jan Bakelants for Sunweb who should be looking for stages also riding for me. at 40/1.

Israel Cycling have been giving it a go in sprints and have to be represented so I circled Ruben Plaza although I just found out he is 39 which would go some way to explaining the 80/1. .:)

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1 week 1 day ago #36 by The Vann
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Joining on the break and the Bakelants pick. Adding two upfront and will try and get one from the break in play if its a big one
Masnada @ 25/1
Knox @ 66/1

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1 week 12 hours ago #37 by Couch Critic
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The Vann wrote: Joining on the break and the Bakelants pick. Adding two upfront and will try and get one from the break in play if its a big one
Masnada @ 25/1
Knox @ 66/1


Whoooohoooo!! Nice one Vann!

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1 week 4 hours ago #38 by Brent Graham
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Well played Vann you biscuit!

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1 week 1 hour ago #39 by mackem
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Great call Masnada Vann :beer

Stage 7, not quite sure what to expect here, have stuck with Gallopin 40/1, giving Battaglin another go at 18/1 and from GC looking for Jungels, slightly bigger stake at (33/1)

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1 week 1 hour ago #40 by Couch Critic
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Chris you're stealing my plays today! I'm also giving Gallopin and Baty G a go (actually have a preview coming your way in that regard).

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1 week 1 hour ago #41 by mackem
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Yo Couch lets hope its a good coincidence we on the same page with either of those 2.

I did notice Katusha and Lotto S having a word with Roglic yesterday about the chase, think Katusha had Battaglin in mind but chase never materialized so perhaps today. I don't know what happened to Gallopin yesterday, would have been useful to see how that break got established. Either of those 2 could go from a break or on the last climb if break gets caught.

My thinking with Jungels is that if it comes back together GC riders might contest finish and he looked better value than Roglic or Yates and Ullisi in that scenario. Lots of guesswork but an interesting stage for sure.

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1 week 37 minutes ago #42 by The Vann
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Thanks all. Had a second bonus in that Oomen made break and puts my outright match bet back in play.
Not sure the break stays today as UAE will be keen to keep jersey as long as possible and they are running into a headwind most of the day. A combo pick
Win only
Yates @ 16/1
Vuillermoz @ 50/1
e/w
Gavazzi @ 50/1
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1 week 15 minutes ago #43 by mackem
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Couch's preview of Stage 7

goodforthegame.co.za/BetOlimp-Blog/time-...stage-7-preview.html

Enrico Battaglin @ 19.00
Tony Gallopin @ 47.00
Tao Geoghegan Hart @ 58.00

Above prices all at BetOlimp

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6 days 3 hours ago #44 by Brent Graham
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Stiff Couch!

Todays stage may not be as predictable as he betting suggests = a combined 1.5 units each way on

Haller 250/1 66/1
Canola 50/1 12/1 at Sunbet

1 unit down so far, not into this race yes mainly due to the route to date

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6 days 52 minutes ago #45 by The Vann
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Very close yesterday Couch.
Stage too long today before a mountain ITT. Weather expected to be crap and the run in is poor and dangerous. Just two roughies for me
Rojas @ 89/1
Biermanns @ 93/1

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5 days 23 hours ago #46 by kt6747
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Hardlines Couch.

2 Outsiders for me,
Gallopin @ 100/1
Polanc @ 300/1

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5 days 22 hours ago #47 by mackem
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Didn't get chance to post eealier but have gone with Vivianni at 9/2 today

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5 days 3 minutes ago #48 by The Vann
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ITT
Roglic is a lock but 2/9 not worth it. Reckon Campenaerts gets to the last 2km with a minute over Yates and Nibali. Question is can they take a minute off him over the last 2.2km and 6 minutes. Probably but still worth a shot at the odds
1-3
Campenaerts @ 4/1

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4 days 23 hours ago #49 by kt6747
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Hi Vann

I am just asking, you don't think the climbing from 22km out will affect Campenearts?

Also do you not think the fall Roglic took won't have taken something out of him, its the first time he hasn't had the team protecting him? |For me it was the first time he stands a chance of been beaten?

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4 days 23 hours ago #50 by Brent Graham
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I think daylight will run 2nd to Roglic here but yes he is very short

I reckon Camp battles today, the climb aside he also did alot of work for Ewan yesterday from what I could see

Really need betting without Roglic here

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